How best to use povidone iodine (Betadine) topically to treat fish ulcers?

Thank you to everyone who’ve contributed to this discussion. I thought I’ll summarise my thoughts.

Some of our colleagues do not use topical disinfectants, some dilute it prior to use, and some use it neat. So, the questions were:
1. Whether or not to use topical disinfectants?
2. If yes, is dilution necessary?
3. If yes, will diluting betadine negate its antiseptic properties?

In my notes (below), it states that excess free iodine is indeed irritant to skin and mucus membranes (but dose rate unrecorded). To err on the side of caution, some veterinarians choose to not use betadine at all. Additionally, there is argument that immunoprotective qualities of mucus would be destroyed by application of chemicals.

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Some of our colleagues choose to apply betadine topically for the treatment of ulcers and post-surgical wound-closure. This likely reflects extrapolation from our veterinary training in the treatment of terrestrial animals. It seems logical that we need to prevent bacterial colonisation while allowing the skin to heal. Is this justified?

I could not find literature specifically on the toxic effects of topical use on fish. When used on fish eggs, it is applied at 0.002-0.01% for 1-15 minutes. For spawning fish, they are immersed in solutions at a concentration of 0.006-0.007% for up to 30 minutes (see link to article). This significantly lower dose may be because ionophores are particularly toxic to gills. I was sent an article stating the efficacy, and at the same time, no signs of toxicity were shown in opthalmic surgeries in canines when used at 0.2%. Can fish be likened to eyeballs with fins and scales? Perhaps the fish is more different to the eye of a dog.

One of our colleagues suggests that the antiseptic properties are lost once betadine is diluted by more than 50%. Consequently they routinely use it neat, and in their experience, have found no evidence of delayed healing. Could it be that much of the betadine washes off once fish are replaced in the water as evidenced by the brown tint disappearing within minutes?

But what if we use betadine, combined with a fish "bandage" (see link). Here, betadine is used at 1:10 dilution, and the brown tint lasts for at least 2 hours after application. This may be evidence that the contact-time is extended. Should the betadine continue to be used diluted in this situation?

I suspect the debate continues because:
– The solutions may come different concentrations: as 0.5% liquid spray, 1% betadine solution and even up to 7% (tincture of iodine).
– The iodophore may come in different forms (Wescodyne reported more toxic than Betadine) – see link.
– Toxicity depends on pH (more toxic at pH <6, and becomes ineffective at pH >8).

Though empirical data is useful, I believe we need controlled studies to settle the debate.

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Dr Richmond Loh
DipProjMgt, BSc, BVMS, MPhil (Pathology), MANZCVS (Aquatics & Pathobiology), CertAqV, CMAVA, NATA Signatory.
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Yours sincerely,

Dr Richmond Loh 

DipProjMgt, BSc, BVMS, MPhil (Pathology), MANZCVS (Aquatics& Pathobiology), CertAqV, NATA Signatory.
THE FISH VET, Perth, Western Australia, AUSTRALIA. 

Mobile Aquatic Veterinary Medical & Diagnostic Services.
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Do you know if goldfish eat each other?

Weird question, but not such a silly question. I was asked to write about it recently. What do you think?

Find my answer at this link.

How are fish collected and identified?

Interesting.

By the WA museum – http://museum.wa.gov.au/research/collections/aquatic-zoology/fish-ichthyology-section/collecting-fish

Invitation to event: Celebrating the rejuvenation of Lake Marmion

The Department of Fisheries invites you to celebrate with us at the final stage of a three year program to restore Lake Marmion to a more natural and healthy state!

 

In late 2012 the pest catfish (Tandanus tandanus) and the aquatic weed Salvinia molesta was found to have infested Lake Marmion. At the time, the pest catfish was the first confirmed wild population of this species in Western Australia and carried a fish disease never seen in Australia before that presented an extreme health risk to native fish. Not only ate the catfish an aggressive predator, it was also carrying a bacteria (Pseudomonas anguilliseptica) which causes red spot disease.

Working in partnership with the City of Melville and other agencies, the pest catfish and aquatic weed was successfully eradicated.

 

As a final step of the project, the lake will be restocked with native fish to help create a healthier, more balanced aquatic environment in the lake. This project demonstrates how working in partnership can result in greater outcomes that benefit the community as a whole.

 

This project brings Western Australia closer to achieving our ultimate goal of keeping our oceans, rivers and lakes healthy and beautiful now and in the future.

 

Thursday 4th June 2015, 12:15 – 1:15 pm

Lake Marmion

Marmion Reserve, Myaree 6154

 

Introductions by

Dr Lindsay Joll, Acting Deputy Director General, Department of Fisheries WA,

 

with

Hon Ken Baston MLC, Minister for Fisheries

 

and

Mayor Russell Aubrey, Mayor of the City of Melville

 

Light refreshments will be provided

We look forward to seeing you there

RSVP by 29 May 2015 to Helen Rice, 9482 7205 or helen.rice@fish.wa.gov.au

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Amazing Ornamental Fish and celebrations Brazilian style!

Watch this video I found on Project Piaba : https://vimeo.com/124670986

I want to go!
 
Some screen shots from the video:

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Yours sincerely,

Dr Richmond Loh 

DipProjMgt, BSc, BVMS, MPhil (Pathology), MANZCVS (Aquatics& Pathobiology), CertAqV, NATA Signatory.
THE FISH VET, Perth, Western Australia, AUSTRALIA. 

Mobile Aquatic Veterinary Medical & Diagnostic Services.
http://www.thefishvet.com.au
Ph: +61 (0)421 822 383

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B-1012 – Anatomical & histopathology exploration of cuttlefish (Sepia spp.) Vibrio infections

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